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need better rear shocks.

Postby dsrt4 » Sat May 30, 2015 10:50 am

I'm fat....

I weigh in at 235lbs and the back end feels crummy around corners and over bumps.. i have ridden other helixs so I know it is a issue with mine.I have adjusted the rear shocks to firm them up but it didn't work. The guy that had this before me was a real big fella as well so the shocks are just wore out. I have changed the rear tire thinking that would help but the back end is just too soft.

Is there any off the shelf shocks from another bike that would work for this bike?

I thought I remember some full-size motorcycle shocks that fit it.

My skinny brother in law doesn't like the way it handles as well so I guess loosen weight isn't going to help.


Any shock choices out there you know about?
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby sctr199 » Sat May 30, 2015 9:13 pm

Seems to me that I heard somewhere that Honda CB350 shocks work on a Helix, but I'd recommend someone else's input on that. Helixparts.com sells aftermarket shocks that will fit, but they are a bit longer that stock which will raise the rear end noticeably.
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby zozman » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:19 pm

You can mount a Honda CB 350 shock to a Honda CH 250 or Helix CN 250. I have done the modification on every CH 250 I have owned. It is a direct bolt-in application. It gives you a much steadier and firmer ride. Absolutely necessary for two up riding. I usually cut off the chrome covers on the top of the shock. I have found you need a larger bronze bushing to fit into the rubber grommet on the top of the shock. I found some at the hardware store. Minor grinding to the eyelet at the top of the shock. Here is the Tech Tip on the conversion.

Tech Tip #26 Adapting The Honda CB350 Shocks To The Honda CH250

In 1965, Honda created its first “big bike”, the CB450. But, the highest selling motorcycle in American history was the Honda CB350, made between 1972 and 1977. The CB350 had a twin cylinder, overhead cam, air cooled engine. It also had two carburetors, five-speed gearbox, and electric starter. With more than 300,000 units sold, 660,000 in various forms, it was a motorcycle that appealed to the masses.

To assist that 360 lb. bike in handling and cornering, Showa rear shocks were installed with either the Showa 455 chrome covers (removable) over the top of the head or Showa 369 exposed spring. Either will work in this modification. They provide excellent damping and firm control over most highway riding conditions. The shocks were adjustable with five firmness settings. There was a huge 7-3/4” long single coil spring which had a diameter of 1-7/8" (50mm). Ride suspension varied from its low end street setting to its most firm setting for racing.

The Honda CH250 rear shock, by comparison, is ineffective in almost every street application. It appears too bouncy with single riders, and replicates a pogo stick event with two-up riding. Adapting the Honda CB350 shock, which is only a quarter-inch longer in length compared to the OEM Honda CH250 shock (12.75 to 12.50 inches top eye mount to bottom clevis mount) and is a logical choice for improved handling. Both the CH250 and CB350 shocks have similar mounting positions. The standard CH250 shock is 2" OD at the top and 1-7/8" OD at the bottom. The standard CB350 shock is 2" OD top to bottom. (NOTE: For this modification, any related vintage Honda rear shock from the Honda CB350-360; CL-CJ-360 from 1965-1977 will work. The shocks from the CB-CJ250 will NOT work).

The top mount diameter of the Honda CB350 shock measures .22 mm wide while the CH250 shock measures .18 mm. It is unnecessary to remove the top eye mount rubber bushing on the shock. You will have to grind off the excess .04 mm--2 mm from each side center-- from the CB350 shock eye so that the top of the shock fits into the CH250 mounting space.

Existing Hardware:

This is the easiest method. Take the CH250 metal spacer which was removed from the shock, and wrap electrical tape around it so that it is over sized for the rubber CB350 bushing. Use some lithium grease inside the CB350 shock rubber cushion then push the metal spacer into the rubber bushing. Use the original M8 CH250 bolts for the top of the CB350 shock when re-mounting. Note: If you want to machine your own spacer then make it 18mm long, 16.5mm diameter, and have a 5/16" hole drilled through the center. These dimensions will give you a nice push-fit in to the rubber bushing without the use of electrical tape.

New Hardware:

No modification is necessary for the bottom of the shock as the distance between legs for the bolting area is exactly the same--0.19mm. However, the mounting bolts are different. The mounting bolts for the bottom of the CB350 shock are M10x1.25 pitch. The original mounting bolts for the CH250 shock are smaller diameter--M8x1.25 pitch. To adapt the bottom of the shock to the CH250 crankcase, you must still use the smaller diameter bolts in the larger CB350 holes. The reason for this is that the larger M10 bolts will not fit
through the crankcase mount on the left side nor the swing arm mount on the muffler side of the scooter. For the bottom, use M8x1.25 pitch bolts that are 1-1/2 inches long (45mm) with a M8 stop nut.

Prior to mounting the shocks, the Honda CB350 shock preset should be set to #1--the softest ride setting. For a firmer ride, set the pre-load to #3. The stiffest ride is #5 which compresses the spring. You adjust these shocks by clamping the shock head in a vise and turning the bottom of the shock with a screwdriver inserted through the bottom shock mounting holes and rotating the bottom of the shock with the screwdriver to the desired setting.

Question: I want to install OEM Honda Shocks on my Honda CH250 without any modifications. Which ones should I use?

Answer: These two part numbers, although for different Honda models, will mount up exactly:

SKU: 51400-KM1-672ZA (Honda CH 250)
FORK ASSY., FR. *NH1* (Honda Code 2142107) (BLACK) Use from Frame SN FK000268 Use from Frame SN FK000268 $68.59 ea.

SKU: 52500-KS4-931 Honda Helix CN250)
SHOCK ABSORBER ASSY., RR. (Honda Code 4552147) (SHOWA) $126.90 ea. (2)

NOTE: Photos of this shock modification can be found in the photo section, file CB350 SHOCK MODS.

Question: Will the Honda VHD shock used on the CB450-500 and 750cc bikes work on the Honda CH250?

Answer: The VHD shocks are too big (13.89 inches eye-to-eye)and will not fit the CH250 without rubbing against the splash guard and the air box. Their springs are 2-3/8" and must be bent to fit in between the air box and the tire. Additionally, the shocks are almost two inches longer than the stock CH 250 or CB 350 shocks. This pushes the engine down to its lowest level thus rendering the engine pivot bushings useless.



Randy Pozzi (2/2009) Dennis Flora contributed to this Tech Tip.
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby zozman » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:40 am

After further review, the Honda CB 350 shock will accommodate the right rear as it is configured with an eyelet top and clevis bottom. The left rear, however, has a eyelet with cushion top and bottom.

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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby slonaker » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:18 am

Feel free to link to your site, Randy.

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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby trying59 » Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:09 am

Will I put my 2 cents into this. There one guy in Europe ( France ?) whom used the 1990 hond cb500 shocks on one side with stock on the other side. After 10 000 K of riding he reported no issues. There in a cb350 shock or something the same size 300 mm? should work . You may be able to find a shock that is better then cb350 shocks new that has the right ends on it. You other choose are 200 bucks from one of the 2 companies that make replacements . Also you could send the stock ones into one of the USA shock company that rebuilds them and get better springs put on.
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby Ken R » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:50 pm

Can't figure out from the posts, are readers replacing both Helix shocks with CB350 rear shocks, or are they only replacing one of the two?
A listing from Australia has CB350 shocks 317mm with eyes on top and clevis ends on the bottom, and CB350 shocks 325mm with eyes on top and bottom.
If there was any threads showing the conversion of the Helix rear shocks, it would definitely be helpful.

Thanks

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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby blipco » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:51 pm

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Postby zozman » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:30 am

I bought a set of these for my PS250. Expensive, but well worth it.

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/EN/Produ ... aQodLJwG8A
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby AlabamaCB750 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:46 pm

http://WWW.WORKSPERFORMANCE.COM
Rear shocks for the Honda Helix
$559.00 :shock:
Outstanding shocks but obviously not cheap. A night and day difference for two up riding though!
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby charlie55 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:20 pm

AlabamaCB750 wrote:http://WWW.WORKSPERFORMANCE.COM
Rear shocks for the Honda Helix
$559.00 :shock:
Outstanding shocks but obviously not cheap. A night and day difference for two up riding though!


$559? I think it'd be cheaper to keep the originals and hire a limo for the passenger! ;)
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby slonaker » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:09 pm

That's almost as much as I paid for my Helix!

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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby AlabamaCB750 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:52 pm

Me too. I think I'm probably going with the Hagons. $219.00 is a little easier to swallow, and I love the ones on my CB750. I think if your going to ride two up a lot, your going to have to spend a decent amount to get a good result. You can also get the front shocks from them as well for the same price.
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby charlie55 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:10 pm

Now I know why they call them "shocks".
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Re: need better rear shocks.

Postby Charliesgarage » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:53 pm

Used Showa VHT Shock fron Honda CB $10 left the stock shock on the left. Rides like a soft tail handles like a hard tail!
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